RE: An update from Timothy's Wine Bar
Home
Folkestone is in danger of becoming a culinary wasteland. Sure, it has the usual collection of OKish Chinese, Indian and Pasta / Pizza joints. But, with the exception of the cosy Kapetan Michales, you have to go to Sandgate or Hythe to get a half-decent meal.
Which is why we were looking forward to the opening of the subterranean Timothy's Wine Bar, adjacent to Barclays Bank and across the road from Iceland. We went there on Spanish Night and, while it was a memorable night, it was for all the wrong reasons.
Dragging a vegan along to any restaurant is always asking for trouble. But any self-respecting , semi-competent chef can rustle something up that doesn't appear to have had all elements of flavour, texture and enjoyment extacted from it, and that is verging on edible and tasty. And, anyway, we had sent along an advance party at least a week beforehand to forewarn them that we had a lettuce-botherer coming. The owner seemed delighted at the challenge, especially when we handed over £80 as a deposit.
Anyway, the night itself. Free sangria on arrival - nice touch. Abundant Spanish decorations - ie, flamenco guitars and matador hats - tacky. And, at one point it looked as though one of the staff had put on a comedy "Manuel" moustache, except that it turned out to be real and was very definitely not meant to be ironic.
Then came the food. Starters were a set number of tapas dishes (including chorizo, frittata and a pork dish none of us had eaten before). It was all quite nice, if a little boring. The problems started, however, when we reminded them that we had a vegan with us. It soon became clear that they had not prepared anything for him, but we were re-assured that the chef would rustle something up especially. 5 minutes later arrived a hastily thrown together combo of lettuce, lettuce, lettuce, tomato, lettuce, apple and lettuce. Big warning bells could be heard tolling ominously in the distance.
Now, bearing in mind that this had been billed as a Spanish culinary night and was being charged at £25 a head, what happened next borders on the ridiculously inept and misjudged. Main courses, we were told, were Paella and Beef. What arrived was in fact, stringy, bony, dried out chicken that looked and tasted like it had been mixed with pre-ccoked rice and peas. Where was the seafood, the saffron, anything that is normally associated with Paella ? As for the beef. I really cannot do this dish justice. Imagine school dinner beef. Washed-out slabs of grey, fibrous, meat that had clearly come from a very unhappy cow, slapped on a plate next to boiled sliced carrots and soggy roast potatoes. In fact, I am doing school dinners a dis-service. At least at school, it only cost about £2 and you could usually take your chances with boulder-like Yorkshire Puddings and volcanically hot brown water (gravy) as well.
Not content with this, the owner then subjected our vegan chum to that sort of hectoring, slightly hysterical, questioning that every vegan must have encountered at some point in a restuarant - "So, no cheese then. Or eggs. What abot egg noodles ? No ? What do you eat then ? Do you eat ginger ? Lettuce ? Well, look, what do you want to eat ?". Eventually, having obviously scoured the darkest recesses of the kicthen cupboards for any ingredient that definitely couldn't cause offence, our pal with special needs was served up a delighfully sloppy concoction of soup, cous cous, tinned veg and chilli.
Now, even at this stage, all of this would have been bearable in that stiff upper lip kind of way if it hadn't been for what happened subsequently. When we were asked by the owner in that traditional restuarant game of manners, where the rules say that he has to ask whether we enjoyed our meal and we have to express sheer delight through gritted teeth, we made the cardinal sin of speaking our minds. Of course, upsetting the balance of nature in this way is unforgiveable. Qiute clearly there couldn't have been anything actually worng with the meals or the experience we had recieved at the restuartant thus far. The fault most certainly had to be with our ability to enjoy it. The owner assured us though that he would mention our concerns to the chef.
5 minutes later we are approached at our table by another bloke (who looked a bit pished) whom we took to be another of the proprierters, after we saw him talking to the other owner. This chap then preceded to argue with us for having the temerity to critise the cooking by his... wait for it... wife!!! It seems that this bloke was, in fact just a mate of the owner and it was his wife that had done the cooking that night because she was Spanish. Turns out, that not only had she never cooked in a restuarant before (and had never before cooked the dishes we were eating) the reason the food had been so bland (ie, no seafood in the paella etc) was because English people wouldn't eat it. This is, I presume, the same English people who year after year make Spain their favourite holiday destination and to whom, paella has become almost as close to a national dish as chicken tikka mosalla. And, the same English people who have paid £25 to come to a Spanish culinary evening - which would, I hope you will agree, presuppose at least some familiarity and enjoyment of traditional Spanish food.
Anyway, we left soon after. It wasn't all bad. One of the 2 puddings was OK and drinks were included in the £25 a head - although we didn't know that at the time and are still not sure if that was because we complained about the food.
But there are serious points here. Firstly, this was sloppy management and terrible customer service. £25 a head is not cheap and people expect quality results. Its not on to use paying customers as guinea pigs, espeically when it involves your mate's wife doing the cooking. It you are running a restuarant, do us all a favour and hire a professional chef. Also, if you say you are going to cater for vegans and people make a point of checking this with you first before booking, make the bloody effort on the night ! Vegans might be slightly weird and are best avoided, but they too deserve to eat properly and should not be seen as just a means of off-loading your excess salad ingredients. If you make an effort with vegans and veggies more generally, you'd be surprised how likely proper foodies will want to come back - even the most die-hard meat-eater likes a break now and then. But most of all, you cannot let members of public harangue your customers. It doesn't matter if they are your mates or whether their wives' are doing the cooking, to me, they are still just members of the public. If I have a problem with a restaurant's food or service I will speak to the owner / chef etc. I won't go round to other tables and complain. Similarly, I don't expect other members of the public to discuss my complaints with them, especially with the collusion of the owner.
Maybe things will improve at Timothy's. I probably won't take my chances and find out, and nor will any of the rest of my party, or any of our friends and acquitances whom we talk to. And thats the point really - pissing off 8 people can lose you potential custom of 50 or so. And in a small town like Folkestone, thats not good for business.
But, for anyone reading this - make up your own mind. And if you need any encouragement, it seems that after the success of Spanish night, they are intending to do a School Dinners night...
2004 :: Comment / reply
My wife and I are regular visitors, only because the service, food and welcome is excellent.
Peter
Peter :: 20 Apr :: 2005 :: Comment / reply
We recently visited your restaurant for the first time and was amazed at the quality and presentation of your cuisine. The tapas was a delight to the tongue and my wife was equally enthralled with each individual dish. After dinner we had the pleasure to meet your wonderful chef Jonathan, to whom the highest compliments were paid.
Mr R Hargreaves :: 6 Nov :: 2005 :: Comment / reply
Timothys may have had some teething problems, but is now one of the best venues in Folkestone. I always get a warm and friendly welcome and the recent addition of a large choice of Tapas dishes are excellent.
If you would like to learn more about wine, or just have a great night I recommend the regular wine tasting events, which are always fully booked.
sylviazz :: 9 Jan :: 2005 :: Comment / reply
I have visited Timothy's Wine Bar twice now on my journeys through Folkestone and now will make a point of ensuring I go in each time. I agree with Lisa, I think you were just incredibly unlucky with your evening. I find the staff more than friendly and the food excellent. Having a vegan in the family, I do understand the problems and pitfalls of restaurants but found that Tim and the chefs couldn't do enough to look after us. I love the atmosphere and cant wait to become a recognisable customer, hearing my name shouted as I walk through the door, and having a nice glass of red handed to me as I'm ushered to my favourite table. I’d give it another chance if I were you.
Joe Hartford :: 25 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Hi everyone.
I have just visited an interesting little place in folkestone called Timothy's wine bar.
I have to say it was an experience i will never forget. As soon as i opened the door,the staff welcomed me and took personal time to get to know me, which is very rare for bars these days as most of the time they serve your drink and dugger off to chat to their mates!!!!. So thank you for the warm welcome.
I have to also thank the bartender, who took the time to create an excellant cocktail, which is his signature at the bar.
The night that i was there they hosted a James Bond evening, which was the best night i have had in a long time. People dressed up and the quiz was very good, also with the same cocktail bartender he took the rule of a casino dealer and played the rule spot on, especially like his dealing of the cards.
I hope that those that take the time to read this will, also take time to visit the bar, as i feel folkestone needs this kind of place.It's a hidden gem.
So thank all you guys at the bar and i look forward to seeing you again soon.
Patrick
Patrick :: 29 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Thanks for the comprehensive review of Timothy's Wine Bar. I found the review from a google search and must admit it put me off visiting the establishment. Luckily my other half didnt listen to me and wanted to attend the school dinners evening ... Thank god he did. What an evening. Great hospitality, enjoyable food (although you probably cant go wrong with bangers and mash !) and good surrounding (better than the wooden shed effect of the old Sylvesters !).
We have been back again for another theme evening, this time 'Carry On'. Another great night with good food (a bit more elaborate than the school dinner night) and very friendly service. We did see the Spanish Manuel moustache and chuckled thinking it was a prop ..not.
I think you must have been unlucky with your visit and would certainly recommend it to any of my friends without hesitation. Cheers ..
Lisa :: 24 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Can i just first of all the review that you gave Timothy's is very unfair and that you should never slag a place off with going there once.
If do intend to keep having visits to your site i suggest a more decent approach to the reviews and that you let people make up there own mind rather that blast them with your view every two seconds!!!!
Personally i love Timothys and the people that make it what it is. There's nowhere else in Folkestone where you will find a more friendly and welcoming atmosphere. Also you get no trouble like a number of places i could name but won't....
P.S It would help also with your review if you learnt how to spell.
Gary Hawkins :: 11 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Gary - the review was not unfair. You were not at our table and didn't receive the service we did. I'm pretty sure you also didn't call into Timothy's the week before the Spanish night and pay an £80 deposit to ensure that our vegan chum would have something decent to eat. I'm also pretty sure that you didn't have to endure the husband of the "chef" berating you for having the temerity to remark that the food wasn't that nice. And please bear in mind, we didn't go out of our way to complain. We were simply honest when we were asked "how was your meal".
As for your comment about a more "decent approach to the reviews", what would you prefer ? A review that simply says what was on the menu with no comment about quality ? If you recall I did actually say at the end of my review that people should make their own minds up. This is a website where I and my friends and family can post our own views on meals we have had in Folkestone. You don't have to read it. But personally I am delighted that its starting to cause some aggro and discussion. Maybe that is exactly what is needed in Folkestone to raise the quality of the eating-out experience here and stop complacent restaurant owners fobbing off poor quality food at exorbitant prices. If you want to know how it should be done, read my reviews of Kapetan Michales and Pauls.
Finally, I'll ignore your silly little remarks about spelling. Nice to hear from you though.
Dom :: 11 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Gaby - where are you mate ? Got no answer ? C'mon, we could work together. Twatter. I should point out at this point that my sponsor - Pauly - does not necesssarily agree with my views.This is his website and I only contribute. Pauly is not responsible for my vinditive outbursts. He lives in London. I take full responsibility for for my outpourings. Is anyone brave enough to challenge ?
Folkestone is ???????
Pauly - this is for you - I asked Lucy what she wanted for dinner tonight and she said very sweetly "bumblebees" (probably worth checking the spelling glitter-boy).
Dom :: 11 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
It's good to have a balanced viewpoint. I like how you deliberately made mistakes yourself there, to highlight our own, very witty!
pauly :: 11 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Reading your article has offended me, but you should know that if you publish facts you should be accurate.
1. Sussanna was a chef in spain
2. Tim did not want seafood in the paella as he said the customers in Folkestone did not like sea food or fish when he was taking bookings.
3. The beef was cooked in the NORTHERN style,not in the southern style,CARNE ASADA inglesa
4. The only people that complain were your group
5. If you go to a restaurant in London the sangria would cost £25
6. We were trying to help tim out we made no charge
I am sorry if you did not like the meal but i hope that i dont see you in my restaurant in London
Yours sincerely
Maria Jesus Barcia Blanco
barcia :: 5 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Surely, if you run a restaurant -especially one in London – you should be used to all reviews; glowing or otherwise. You have done yourself no favours with a reply like that. You've obviously admitted there was a mix up, things could have been handled better, so why the less than polite reply? Is that what we can expect if we don’t like the service in your restaurant; sharp words and a request never to darken your culinary doorstep again?
The old adage of “the customer is always right” can never fail.
Nick :: 8 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Last time I looked there were at least a couple of restaurants in London. So, unless you want to run the risk of me wandering in by accident, it might be wise to tell me the name of your restaurant. Then I promise that I will never, ever, in a million years, come anywhere near it.
Dom :: 7 Jun :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Our matriarchal representative wrote a pretty fierce letter to Timothy's (possibly as stern as our review), arranged a face to face meeting with the owner and fearlessly ACCEPTED a cheque for a partial refund for our meal. Good work!
They may possibly drop the idea of theme evenings altogether, whether that's down to our quite possibly un-noticed commentary is unclear at this stage.
29 Mar :: 2004 :: Comment / reply
Tim's wine bar has now certainly changed! I dined there last week and I have to say that I could not fault the place. We were taken good care of. We even received a visit from the owner (Tim) who, is a fellow wine fanatic, talked for us for a few minutes about the wine we were drinking. The food was very tasty and the staff were great. If you are planning an evening out in folkestone this is certainly the place to start.
David Johnson :: 9 Nov :: 2006 :: Comment / reply
Over to you, discussion about anything local, but please be considerate... Folkestone on TV, Kent gigs, Find a flatmate, rent a room, property queries, current news, what's new, local events, for sale, local services, what I like about Folkestone, ask questions, offer advice, plug yourself... the more it's used the more useful a resource it will become. If you want a gig listed click here to add it (fixed now!), or just click here to post a message...
Also from the same week
Some more blog posts from the same week as .
RE: An email, from Dave the Dolphin: [Tuesday 7 November 2006]
Just to be clear [Wednesday 8 November 2006]
Bunkers! [Wednesday 8 November 2006]
Gig guide from this week in 1981! [Wednesday 8 November 2006]
Richard Curtis lived in Folkestone [Thursday 9 November 2006]
Local District Nurse to walk Great Wall of China For Charity [Thursday 9 November 2006]
RE: Richard Curtis lived in Folkestone [Thursday 9 November 2006]
A Seaside Year launches in Folkestone [Friday 10 November 2006]
An email, from Dave the Dolphin: [Sunday 17 September 2006]


